Re: [Anime] Fate/Zero

by Kevinthewiseone Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:20 am

ok so Kayneth is not evil but but he is by all means an asshole. Kiritsugu is not evil either, did he kill those kids no, and scarfing a few for the benefit of the many may not be completely right either but it sure is not evil, its reality. Look at it this way if you could help every child that is hungry and homeless in the world you would right. But the truth is you can't even if you had all the money in the world someone would be trying to prevent you from doing so . Its logically impossible.

by TopgunUK Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:30 am

Rex wrote:
Kevinthewiseone wrote:
Rex wrote:
WolfWood37 wrote:It serves him right.

Kayneth was a pompous, arrogant, high and mighty asshole who thought he deserved everything because of his name and family.

I hate pople like that.

This was such a fitting result.

But you like people that blow up buildings?

The building was evacuated before it was blown up though.

First of all, there might have still been people in there, second, do you know what losing your fucking home is like? Imagine what the building owner went through. How did no falling debris injure or kill anyone? What about property damage? What about city hall? What about taxes? Insurance rates? People that used that road for commuting? What if they were late and lost their job? What if a doctor was held up in traffic because a building collapsed and many people died because he was the only one that could save them? WHAT IF PEOPLE LOST THEIR PETS IN THE BUILDING?!

Kayneth made fun of someone's thesis in front of the whole class. OoooOooOhhh that's so horrible, isn't it?

It was a Hotel.

Kiritsugu was actually disappointed in himself for being so sentimental and evacuating the people beforehand.

Novel wrote:Suddenly there came the sound of a child crying and Kiritsugu's attention was stolen from the ruins.

The child's mother walked past Kiritsugu holding a child who would not stop crying due to
fear. Both were wearing only pajamas and covered head to toe with white ash, appearing so miserable it was hard to watch.

Kiritsugu kept watching the backs of the parent and child... up until his hand was singed by
the burning tip of the cigarette, when he snapped back to attention. Kiritsugu tossed the
mostly-burnt-up cigarette to the floor and stamped it out with his foot.

Emiya Kiritsugu felt a little confused; sentimentalism is definitely unacceptable for him. These
kind of weak feelings would directly threaten his life. But, regarding his failure, he cannot
face it with a composed attitude no matter what.

Yes. Even if he did not want to admit it, the reality was this-- Kiritsugu saw the figures of
Irisviel and Ilyasviel in the receding figures of the parent and child.

Emiya Kiritsugu once believed that there was no differentiation in sacrifice. All life was
equal, so choosing the path that led to a smaller sacrifice was okay. In this manner of
judgment, the lives of women and children do not receive any special treatment.

The Holy Grail could be used to save the world. And Kayneth is a target that must be
eliminated in order to obtain the Holy Grail. There are a thousand-some people in the Fuyuki Hyatt hotel, but the Holy Grail could save at least five billion people. Kiritsugu could completely eradicate these tenants along with Kayneth if there was the necessity to do so.

Then why did he need to set a fire beforehand to cause this disturbance?

In the beginning, he thought that this had been the obvious tactic. Kayneth specifically set
many traps in order to defend against an ambush; as for the tactic against his strategic defense,
this one has definitely yielded effective results. That prodigy magus held his iron wall as his
pride, but he never thought that the entire castle would be destroyed so he remained inside.

But, was his real intent really just limited to this?

His sentimental hope that the innocent tenants would escape in time, is it really showing just
now unconsciously?

This really is a fatal romanticism. If he was on the battlefield, this sort of sentiment would
definitely lead to his death.

To steady the shaky feelings in his heart, Kiritsugu once again lit a cigarette. He's degraded. Although he doesn't know how much weaker he is, the Emiya Kiritsugu today has definitely degraded from the one nine years ago. If this continued then he might not be able to successfully obtain victory in the Holy Grail War. No matter what, not restoring the cold manner of judgment from before is unacceptable-- the faster the better.

And for the last time, neither Kiritsugu nor Kayneth is evil.

by Plue Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:57 am

Kevinthewiseone wrote:ok so Kayneth is not evil but but he is by all means an asshole. Kiritsugu is not evil either, did he kill those kids no, and scarfing a few for the benefit of the many may not be completely right either but it sure is not evil, its reality. Look at it this way if you could help every child that is hungry and homeless in the world you would right. But the truth is you can't even if you had all the money in the world someone would be trying to prevent you from doing so . Its logically impossible.

Let us tell the story of a certain man.
The tale of a man who, more than anyone else, believed in his ideals, and was driven to
despair by them.
The dream of that man was pure.
His wish was for everyone in this world to be happy, that was all that he asked for.
It is a childish ideal that all young boys grow attached to at least once, one that they abandon
when they grow accustomed to the mercilessness of reality.
Any happiness requires a sacrifice, something all children learn when they become adults.
But, that man was different.
Maybe he was just the most foolish of all. Maybe he was broken somewhere. Or maybe, he
might have been of the kind we call 'Saints', entrusted with God's will. One that common
people cannot understand.
He knew that for any existence in this world, the only two alternatives are sacrifice or
salvation...
After understanding that, he would never be able to empty the scale plates...
From that day on, he set his mind to work on being the one to tip the scale.
To abate the grief in this world, there was no other, more efficient way.
To save even one life on one side, he had to forsake one life on the other side.
That is, to let the majority of people survive, he had to kill a minority of people.
Therefore, rather than saving people for the sake of saving them, he excelled at the art of
killing people.
Again and again, he kept painting his hands the color of blood, but the man never flinched.
Never questioning the righteousness of his acts, nor ever doubting his goal, he forced himself
to only faultlessly tip the scale.
Never ever misjudging the value of a life.
With no regard to the humility of one existence, and with no regard to its age, all lives were
weighed evenly.
With no discrimination, the man saved lives, and, with no discrimination, he killed.
But, unfortunately, he realized that too late.
To value everything in equal fairness, that would be the same as not loving anyone uniquely.
Had he carved that inviolable rule into his spirit sooner, he would have attained salvation.
Freezing his young heart into necrosis, achieving his self as a measuring machine with
neither blood nor tears, he kept leading a life of sorting those that were to die, and those that
were to live. There probably wasn't any suffering for him.
But that man was wrong.
Anyone's delighted smile would fill his chest with pride, and anyone's wailing voice would
shake his heart.
Anger was added to his resentment and he became full of regrets as his tears of loneliness
longed for hands reaching out to him.
Even though he was pursuing an ideal beyond reason of the world of men — he too, was
human.
How many times was the man punished for that contradiction?
He did know friendship. He did know love.
Even when putting that one beloved life, and the countless number of perfect strangers, on
the left and right of the scale—
He definitely never made a mistake.
More than loving someone, to judge that life equally to that of the others, he had to value it
impartially, and impartially forfeit it.
Even when he was with someone precious to him, he would always seem to be mourning.
And now, the man is being inflicted with the greatest punishment.

by Kevinthewiseone Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:42 pm

I think that describes Kiritsugu perfectly.

by **FightingFurball** Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:31 pm

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/12/01/fateextra-splendid-saber-figure/

Bloody hell!
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by Kevinthewiseone Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:38 pm

Yeah i just saw that as well i am so drooling right now.

by Guest Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:22 pm

I await Plue's reaction.

by 2-D Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:33 am

FightingFurball wrote:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/12/01/fateextra-splendid-saber-figure/

Bloody hell!

Her eyes are completely wrong.

by Destructo Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:11 am

So, the SRP for the Bluray box set is almost $500 lol. You can preorder it at Rightstuf.com for $370, though.

by Revy Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:28 am

Or i could wait for a torrent *cough*

by Destructo Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:04 am

but support for anime industry and hurr durr

by Guest Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:47 am

Ha!

I'll wait for the Funimation sets when they license the show and release the sets for $40.

There's supporting the industry, and then just being dumb.

by TopgunUK Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:20 am

Destructo wrote:So, the SRP for the Bluray box set is almost $500 lol. You can preorder it at Rightstuf.com for $370, though.

The KnK box set was priced at $620, and it still sold out lol.

by Guest Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:32 pm

Aniplex is trying to go back to the old days where sets cost between $200 to $600.

They are morons. There's a reason why Funimation has taken over the market.

by TopgunUK Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:59 pm

WolfWood37 wrote:Aniplex is trying to go back to the old days where sets cost between $200 to $600.

They are morons. There's a reason why Funimation has taken over the market.

It's not really moronic if you price it so high and it still sells out.

They know that there are enough Type-Moon fans loyal (or stupid) enough to pay that price so they price it accordingly.

by Guest Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:51 am

Yeah then its the customers who are the morons.

That is still an awesome sig BTW

by TopgunUK Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:25 am

They've obviously had to slow down the pacing they'd been going with to end the first half of the show at a certain point.

They've been doing 50 pages an episode up until now and here they just took about 11 pages and made it an entire episode, they filled it out by adding scenes for stuff that was just briefly mentioned in a sentence in the Novel.

Also, they changed stuff, Uryuu didn't show up here at all in the Novel and Rin never found and saved Kotone, or any other children for that matter.

by Destructo Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:46 am

TopgunUK wrote:
Destructo wrote:So, the SRP for the Bluray box set is almost $500 lol. You can preorder it at Rightstuf.com for $370, though.

The KnK box set was priced at $620, and it still sold out lol.

Yup, and they never re-stocked it since. rofl

by sex offender Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:48 am

TopgunUK wrote:They've obviously had to slow down the pacing they'd been going with to end the first half of the show at a certain point.

They've been doing 50 pages an episode up until now and here they just took about 11 pages and made it an entire episode, they filled it out by adding scenes for stuff that was just briefly mentioned in a sentence in the Novel.

Also, they changed stuff, Uryuu didn't show up here at all in the Novel and Rin never found and saved Kotone, or any other children for that matter.

i wish they didn't make this ep.

by TopgunUK Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:53 am

Kyubey wrote:
TopgunUK wrote:They've obviously had to slow down the pacing they'd been going with to end the first half of the show at a certain point.

They've been doing 50 pages an episode up until now and here they just took about 11 pages and made it an entire episode, they filled it out by adding scenes for stuff that was just briefly mentioned in a sentence in the Novel.

Also, they changed stuff, Uryuu didn't show up here at all in the Novel and Rin never found and saved Kotone, or any other children for that matter.

i wish they didn't make this ep.

You're the last person I'd have expected that from lol.

Kyubey, objecting to an episode following a loli?

IMPOSSIBURU

by Rummy Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:53 am

thought it felt a bit filler like...

by Destructo Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:57 am

Kyubey wrote:
TopgunUK wrote:They've obviously had to slow down the pacing they'd been going with to end the first half of the show at a certain point.

They've been doing 50 pages an episode up until now and here they just took about 11 pages and made it an entire episode, they filled it out by adding scenes for stuff that was just briefly mentioned in a sentence in the Novel.

Also, they changed stuff, Uryuu didn't show up here at all in the Novel and Rin never found and saved Kotone, or any other children for that matter.

i wish they didn't make this ep.

Wait a sec. This is the ep with small Rin you're talking about, right? lol

by TopgunUK Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:12 am

Destructo wrote:
TopgunUK wrote:
Destructo wrote:So, the SRP for the Bluray box set is almost $500 lol. You can preorder it at Rightstuf.com for $370, though.

The KnK box set was priced at $620, and it still sold out lol.
Yup, and they never re-stocked it since. rofl

Really?

Well, if that's true, they probably just didn't need to, they sold 25,000 units in one go with the Japanese release, which is good going for Animu Blu Ray sales even at a reasonable price.

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And when they released it in the US at $300 some distributors complained that the price was still too high but it sold out again.

Since they got away with it before, if anything I'm surprised Aniplex isn't pricing Fate/Zero even higher than they are.

by sex offender Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:18 am

Destructo wrote:
Kyubey wrote:
TopgunUK wrote:They've obviously had to slow down the pacing they'd been going with to end the first half of the show at a certain point.

They've been doing 50 pages an episode up until now and here they just took about 11 pages and made it an entire episode, they filled it out by adding scenes for stuff that was just briefly mentioned in a sentence in the Novel.

Also, they changed stuff, Uryuu didn't show up here at all in the Novel and Rin never found and saved Kotone, or any other children for that matter.

i wish they didn't make this ep.
Wait a sec. This is the ep with small Rin you're talking about, right? lol

by Destructo Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:15 pm

Yeah, their site still says that it's sold out.

And lol, my blown is pretty mind right now.

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