[Anime] To Aru Kagaku no Railgun S

TopgunUK wrote:Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

Destructo wrote:Just watched ep5.

9982~ ;_;

Destructo wrote:I'm not following your logic

FightingFurball wrote:

Destructo wrote:Just watched ep5.

9982~ ;_;

You know... the real tragedy is that those 9982 died senselessly because Touma and Railgun put an end to the experiment before it finished... they only had about the same amount to go...

Spoiler:

TopgunUK wrote:

Destructo wrote:I'm not following your logic

The real tragedy is that those 6 million jews died senselessly because the Allies put a stop to the holocaust.

That's his logic.

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

Destructo wrote:I'm not following your logic

The real tragedy is that those 6 million jews died senselessly because the Allies put a stop to the holocaust.

That's his logic.

Nope, the holocaust didn't have a goal except for doing it, while the experiment actually aimed for a valuable outcome, namely a level 6 change.
Now those nearly 10.000 clones died in vain, because the experiment was cancelled.
That's more similar to basically the Apollo Mission be scraped midway through.

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

Destructo wrote:I'm not following your logic

The real tragedy is that those 6 million jews died senselessly because the Allies put a stop to the holocaust.

That's his logic.

Nope, the holocaust didn't have a goal except for doing it, while the experiment actually aimed for a valuable outcome, namely a level 6 change.
Now those nearly 10.000 clones died in vain, because the experiment was cancelled.
That's more similar to basically the Apollo Mission be scraped midway through.

The Holocaust had an end goal too, nonsensical and evil though it was, and making a sadistic fuck with incredibly destructive superpowers even more powerful isn't a much better goal.

My example was more apt than yours because they didn't need to slaughter massive numbers of people to land on the Moon.

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

Destructo wrote:I'm not following your logic

The real tragedy is that those 6 million jews died senselessly because the Allies put a stop to the holocaust.

That's his logic.

Nope, the holocaust didn't have a goal except for doing it, while the experiment actually aimed for a valuable outcome, namely a level 6 change.
Now those nearly 10.000 clones died in vain, because the experiment was cancelled.
That's more similar to basically the Apollo Mission be scraped midway through.

The Holocaust had an end goal too, nonsensical and evil though it was, and making a sadistic fuck with incredibly destructive superpowers even more powerful isn't a much better goal.

My example was more apt than yours because they didn't need to slaughter massive numbers of people to land on the Moon.

The Holocaust existed to complete the Holcaust, basically to slaughter all jews for the sake of slaughtering all jews.
The Experiment exists not to show that yo can slaughter 20k Misaka imoutos but to develop a level 6.
While the methods are similar the goal behind it varies.
Also, I can't remember much outcry regarding Shinsekai yori, when the 'humans' slaughtered the rats. Just because the rats aren't cute, doesn't mean they have less rights to be slaughtered than cute girls.

Ahem the russians and the americans 'slaughtered' big amounts of ressources too.

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

The real tragedy is that those 6 million jews died senselessly because the Allies put a stop to the holocaust.

That's his logic.

Nope, the holocaust didn't have a goal except for doing it, while the experiment actually aimed for a valuable outcome, namely a level 6 change.
Now those nearly 10.000 clones died in vain, because the experiment was cancelled.
That's more similar to basically the Apollo Mission be scraped midway through.

The Holocaust had an end goal too, nonsensical and evil though it was, and making a sadistic fuck with incredibly destructive superpowers even more powerful isn't a much better goal.

My example was more apt than yours because they didn't need to slaughter massive numbers of people to land on the Moon.

The Holocaust existed to complete the Holcaust, basically to slaughter all jews for the sake of slaughtering all jews.
The Experiment exists not to show that yo can slaughter 20k Misaka imoutos but to develop a level 6.
While the methods are similar the goal behind it varies.
Also, I can't remember much outcry regarding Shinsekai yori, when the 'humans' slaughtered the rats. Just because the rats aren't cute, doesn't mean they have less rights to be slaughtered than cute girls.

Ahem the russians and the americans 'slaughtered' big amounts of ressources too.

Stop being so fucking obtuse.

The goal of the Holocaust was not just to kill a large number of jews, homosexuals, disabled people, slavs, etc for the sake of it.

It was to create a Europe rid of the people that the Nazi's deemed undesirables or pests and help realise their wonderful Aryan Nazi Utopia.

If a farmer uses pesticide on their crops do you think they're doing it because they just want to kill a large number of bugs?

Don't know why you brought up SSY, plenty of viewers, myself included sympathised with the Bakenezumi.

And again, there is nothing good about making a sadistic serial killer with super powers even more dangerous, that's a shitty fucking goal.

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:
Nope, the holocaust didn't have a goal except for doing it, while the experiment actually aimed for a valuable outcome, namely a level 6 change.
Now those nearly 10.000 clones died in vain, because the experiment was cancelled.
That's more similar to basically the Apollo Mission be scraped midway through.

The Holocaust had an end goal too, nonsensical and evil though it was, and making a sadistic fuck with incredibly destructive superpowers even more powerful isn't a much better goal.

My example was more apt than yours because they didn't need to slaughter massive numbers of people to land on the Moon.

The Holocaust existed to complete the Holcaust, basically to slaughter all jews for the sake of slaughtering all jews.
The Experiment exists not to show that yo can slaughter 20k Misaka imoutos but to develop a level 6.
While the methods are similar the goal behind it varies.
Also, I can't remember much outcry regarding Shinsekai yori, when the 'humans' slaughtered the rats. Just because the rats aren't cute, doesn't mean they have less rights to be slaughtered than cute girls.

Ahem the russians and the americans 'slaughtered' big amounts of ressources too.

Stop being so fucking obtuse.

The goal of the Holocaust was not just to kill a large number of jews, homosexuals, disabled people, slavs, etc for the sake of it.

It was to create a Europe rid of the people that the Nazi's deemed undesirables or pests and help realise their wonderful Aryan Nazi Utopia.

If a farmer uses pesticide on their crops do you think they're doing it because they just want to kill a large number of bugs?

Don't know why you brought up SSY, plenty of viewers, myself included sympathised with the Bakenezumi.

And again, there is nothing good about making a sadistic serial killer with super powers even more dangerous, that's a shitty fucking goal.

Still they were doing an eradicating for the sake of eradicating. They weren't doing it to test a hypothesis. They were doing it for the sake of doing it, namely to free the world of their undesirables, they weren't trying to raise a crop.
The experiment furthermore uses ressources that they produce themselves. Again you aren't going to lengths for rats used in experiments, hell I bet if it were ugly guys many wouldn't care!

SSY: Well sympathise is a really nice word but most people seem to not to be concerned by the rat slaughter, but outrage in the magnitude of this one, even though it is morally a smaller scale than than what was done to the rats.

Also the goal is not to create an even more powerful serial killer but the it is to create a level 6 change, till now only a theoretical construct which they want to prove. Accelerator is just the one with the highest propability to achieve it.

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

FightingFurball wrote:

TopgunUK wrote:

The Holocaust had an end goal too, nonsensical and evil though it was, and making a sadistic fuck with incredibly destructive superpowers even more powerful isn't a much better goal.

My example was more apt than yours because they didn't need to slaughter massive numbers of people to land on the Moon.

The Holocaust existed to complete the Holcaust, basically to slaughter all jews for the sake of slaughtering all jews.
The Experiment exists not to show that yo can slaughter 20k Misaka imoutos but to develop a level 6.
While the methods are similar the goal behind it varies.
Also, I can't remember much outcry regarding Shinsekai yori, when the 'humans' slaughtered the rats. Just because the rats aren't cute, doesn't mean they have less rights to be slaughtered than cute girls.

Ahem the russians and the americans 'slaughtered' big amounts of ressources too.

Stop being so fucking obtuse.

The goal of the Holocaust was not just to kill a large number of jews, homosexuals, disabled people, slavs, etc for the sake of it.

It was to create a Europe rid of the people that the Nazi's deemed undesirables or pests and help realise their wonderful Aryan Nazi Utopia.

If a farmer uses pesticide on their crops do you think they're doing it because they just want to kill a large number of bugs?

Don't know why you brought up SSY, plenty of viewers, myself included sympathised with the Bakenezumi.

And again, there is nothing good about making a sadistic serial killer with super powers even more dangerous, that's a shitty fucking goal.

Still they were doing an eradicating for the sake of eradicating. They weren't doing it to test a hypothesis. They were doing it for the sake of doing it, namely to free the world of their undesirables, they weren't trying to raise a crop.
The experiment furthermore uses ressources that they produce themselves. Again you aren't going to lengths for rats used in experiments, hell I bet if it were ugly guys many wouldn't care!

SSY: Well sympathise is a really nice word but most people seem to not to be concerned by the rat slaughter, but outrage in the magnitude of this one, even though it is morally a smaller scale than than what was done to the rats.

Also the goal is not to create an even more powerful serial killer but the it is to create a level 6 change, till now only a theoretical construct which they want to prove. Accelerator is just the one with the highest propability to achieve it.

Stop moving the goalposts, making distinctions without difference and dancing around behind words.

The Nazis had a hypothesis about the ideal society and exterminating those that did not fit in with their ideal was their means of achieving it.

Oh, the clones are "resources" that they produce themselves?
So that makes it alright to treat humans this way?

I suppose you're also in favor of parents being able to torture, abuse and do whatever they want with the children they produce themselves?

I haven't brought the fact that the victims here happen to be cute girls into the equation at all, so fuck your strawman.

Don't compare the regrettable suffering of lab rats to the potential suffering of humans or any hypothetical similarly intelligent being if you want to be taken seriously.

Your personal perceptions of the response to an entirely different show aren't relevant nor do they reflect my opinion.

Doesn't matter that it's not their goal to create an even more powerful serial killer, that's clearly going to be a resulting byproduct and it doesn't resemble anything scientific to arbitrarily come up with RPG-esque level grinding/middle school girl clone killing.