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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by NinjagoonAF Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:36 am
i like the lil combos you can do. Bronco and Whip,Crows and Fire,. anyone know if the rest can be combined?
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by PT-Desu Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:25 am
I combined shock with head shots
their heads explode
their heads explode
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Wing Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:57 am
PT-Desu wrote:I combined shock with head shots
their heads explode
And they disintegrate. Don't forget that.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Revy Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:21 am
PT-Desu wrote:
Well just finished the game and my brain is full of fuck
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I don't get it how by killing him they could save her ? i mean they only killed 1 one him, they would need to kill all of them for all of them to be saved.
I don't even know
I liked seeing Bioshock 1 at the end though
and stick for after the credits
don't know if you get the see something if you esc, i always sit through the credits
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- Elizabeth kills the Booker that becomes Comstock, thus preventing all the other Comstocks from ever existing. Or something like that.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by BrandonBandicoot Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:10 am
Revy wrote:PT-Desu wrote:
Well just finished the game and my brain is full of fuck
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I don't get it how by killing him they could save her ? i mean they only killed 1 one him, they would need to kill all of them for all of them to be saved.
I don't even know
I liked seeing Bioshock 1 at the end though
and stick for after the credits
don't know if you get the see something if you esc, i always sit through the credits
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- But couldn't they have done absolutely ANYTHING to stop him from becoming Comstock? Couldn't they all just kick him in the dick?
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Revy Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:17 am
Kick him in the dick all you want, he cant use it anyways.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by NinjagoonAF Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:18 am
Revy wrote:PT-Desu wrote:
Well just finished the game and my brain is full of fuck
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I don't get it how by killing him they could save her ? i mean they only killed 1 one him, they would need to kill all of them for all of them to be saved.
I don't even know
I liked seeing Bioshock 1 at the end though
and stick for after the credits
don't know if you get the see something if you esc, i always sit through the credits
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when that song started playing, Pastor Ninja came out.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by BrandonBandicoot Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:24 am
Technically he would.Revy wrote:Kick him in the dick all you want, he cant use it anyways.
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- He'd never be exposed to whatever invention Lutece made that sterilized him, or at least that should be the case.
With the concept of infinite possibility, it's weird how there appears to be only one choice to reverse it.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by BrandonBandicoot Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:33 am
Then again.
What is dead will die.
What lives will live.
Which feels like an asspull.
What is dead will die.
What lives will live.
Which feels like an asspull.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by NinjagoonAF Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:45 am
BrandonBandicoot wrote:Then again.
What is dead will die.
What lives will live.
Which feels like an asspull.
die, died, will die.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by BrandonBandicoot Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:54 am
Was I the only one who had trouble towards the end?
Spooky Momma was a bitch to take care of due to how fast she brought back people.
And everything after that felt like a slog.
Might be because I barely upgraded weapon damage.
Spooky Momma was a bitch to take care of due to how fast she brought back people.
And everything after that felt like a slog.
Might be because I barely upgraded weapon damage.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Revy Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:07 pm
What difficulty were you playing?
I kept running out of ammo during that fight. Thanks for nothing Elizabeth.
I kept running out of ammo during that fight. Thanks for nothing Elizabeth.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by NoblePhantasm Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:07 pm
I just sort of ran out of bullets towards the end, which I figure was intended, since there were those segments where sneaking was the way to go. Piss off the crazies and you're very, very screwed.
Otherwise, combat felt like it dragged the game down most of the time. I played it on normal and managed to not die even once, in large part due to the fact that Elizabeth Multi-purpose Dispenser over there is kind of OP as fuck.
Otherwise, combat felt like it dragged the game down most of the time. I played it on normal and managed to not die even once, in large part due to the fact that Elizabeth Multi-purpose Dispenser over there is kind of OP as fuck.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by NinjagoonAF Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:14 pm
NoblePhantasm wrote:I just sort of ran out of bullets towards the end, which I figure was intended, since there were those segments where sneaking was the way to go. Piss off the crazies and you're very, very screwed.
Otherwise, combat felt like it dragged the game down most of the time. I played it on normal and managed to not die even once, in large part due to the fact that Elizabeth Multi-purpose Dispenser over there is kind of OP as fuck.
i mainly used my vigors against lady comstock. that fireball vigor worked pretty well (after you upgrade it completely)
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Revy Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:17 pm
It was stupid how those guys had huge megaphones for ears, yet they cant hear you and relied on sight.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Wing Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:20 pm
Revy wrote:It was stupid how those guys had huge megaphones for ears, yet they cant hear you and relied on sight.
You don't use megaphones for hearing... Are you doing this shit on purpose?
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by NinjagoonAF Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:20 pm
Revy wrote:It was stupid how those guys had huge megaphones for ears, yet they cant hear you and relied on sight.
Those things. I fuckin pissed myself when you turn around and one of em is behind you.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Revy Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:21 pm
I do.Wing wrote:You don't use megaphones for hearing
What now, bitch?
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by BrandonBandicoot Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:56 pm
Played on hard actually.Revy wrote:What difficulty were you playing?
I kept running out of ammo during that fight. Thanks for nothing Elizabeth.
All of the bullet sponges were getting on my nerves. I could understand the Patriots and Handymen but goddamn those
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Revy Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:32 pm
I didnt have a problem with them.
Maxed carbine with crit damage pants and i could one shot them in the head.
Maxed carbine with crit damage pants and i could one shot them in the head.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by PT-Desu Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:29 am
Well, this cleared everything for me
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So each lighthouse represents a world, a dimension. What are these dimensions? Well they could be anything, worlds never even heard of, but they are also the outcome of every possible situation and choice.
So, for instance, if you decided to stay at home (and play Infinite lol) rather than go to work, another dimension would be created for where you didn’t stay home and you did go to work. A new world is created for everything that could have ever been.
We then learn, by going through one of these lighthouses, that after killing thousands of African-Americans, Booker went to get Baptised to rid him of his sins, however he refused the Baptism at the last moment and went on to live his life. Booker and Elizabeth move onto another lighthouse – another thing that happened in Booker’s life.
We are now in Booker’s apartment, and there is Robert Lutece standing in the doorway. You hear a baby called Anna in one of the rooms and after entering it, you see a very young child (Anna) in a cot. Booker denies frantically there ever being a child, completely confused as to why this is happening. But to continue he must go through with the scene how it happened before. He hands his child over to Robert who then leaves, saying something along the lines of ‘Mr. Comstock forgives your sins’ or something like that. We then go to a scene where we see Comstock holding Booker’s daughter as he is about to go through a tear into another dimension (the dimension of Columbia), however Booker tries to stop him leaving, begging for his daughter back. Unfortunately Comstock gets away, however he isn’t quick enough and as the tear closes Anna’s little finger gets caught in the closing tear and gets cut clean off.
It is now obvious that Elizabeth, previously called Anna, is Booker’s daughter.
Now this is where it gets a little confusing. Booker realises that the Futece’s twins, who, I would like to point out now aren’t actually twins, are just versions of the same person from different dimensions who met each other, came to help him after they were betrayed by Comstock. They came to help him get his daughter back from Columbia.
They opened a tear and brought him into the Columbia dimension. After bringing him through, Booker’s mind created new memories in place of the old ones. He created a new purpose for himself in this other world, and this purpose was what he wanted to do all along: find Anna/Elizabeth and get her back.
Unfortunately it wasn’t as simple as that.
Before entering the final lighthouse we hear Booker saying about how they will just go back and kill Comstock in his crib to prevent all this, however that actually means killing himself as you see in the next section.
When, in the original dimension, he rejected the Baptism, another world was created for if he had accepted it. This is the place they are in now. This is the world where he accepted the Baptism.
After being Baptised, what did this new, free of sin Booker do? He called himself Zachery Comstock and created a city in the sky called Columbia. He was born again but this time an evil man.
To kill Comstock when he was born, Booker has to kill himself when he turned into Comstock. And that is at the place in another dimension where he accepted the Baptism instead of rejecting it.
Lots of Elizabeths appear and they proceed to drown Booker, presumably in the Baptising basin. After he dies we see all of the Elizabeths disappear.
Now that is the end. The credits roll from there. HOWEVER, there is more. I will go into this after explaining all of the above, though.
So you might be wondering, generally, what all that meant.
When Booker was first faced with the choice of a Baptism, he declined. He then went on to have a baby. Obviously another dimension was made for if he had accepted the Baptism, in which case he then became Comstock who created Columbia. Both Comstock and the original Booker existed within their own dimensions, doing their own thing. However after Comstock needed an heir but couldn’t have a child because he was infertile, he used the Futece’s twins tearing machine to take Booker’s own child, Anna from him. Technically, because Comstock is Booker but just in another world, Anna is still biologically related to him. Booker actually sold Anna to him to pay off his depts to him, and I know what you are thinking: isn’t there just another reality for if he HADN’T sold her? Well, yes but also no. Because Comstock wanted – needed in fact – Anna so badly (and it could be only Anna because she was the only child related to him) even if Booker hadn’t sold her, Comstock would have entered Booker’s world and taken her by force. There is no world, while Comstock existed anyway, where Booker and Anna stayed together.
Booker was caught in a never-ending cycle of trying to save his daughter. He had already been to Columba over a hundred times before. This is proved when he is in Columbia and asked by the Futece twins to flip a coin. He does and it is heads. They mark it on a chalk board under ‘heads’ and you see that there are tons (over 100) of other heads markings on it. No tails have been marked down. This means that Booker has been there over 100 times before, flipped the same coin and, as always, had the SAME OUTCOME. While you can choose, during the story, to kill someone or let them live, that is a choice (no doubt another world is created to accommodate the other choice you had) and not chance. Flipping a coin is chance. He already flipped the same coin every time he had been to Columbia before and, as always, just like all the events there, it was scripted to heads.
Back to where we were before, though. It didn’t matter what happened, he would always end up where he was. It was IMPOSSIBLE to avoid. Because Booker had a daughter and Comstock needed her and he made their dimensions cross and he took her, there was NO OTHER dimensions with a different outcome. Every world Booker existed in ended up with him losing Anna and going to save her. A never ending-loop.
HOWEVER, it does end, here. After Booker accepted he needed to die to kill Comstock, he allowed Elizabeth to kill him. By killing himself at the point in time where he accepted the Baptism, he killed off ANY POSSIBILITY of a Comstock. Comstock never existed. Comstock never came and took Booker’s baby and Columbia was never built. Anything Comstock had an effect on or had anything to do with was destroyed and never happened.
This is where a lot of people lose it. They think Booker, Comstock, Elizabeth and Columbia ALL died, but they didn’t. Booker didn’t kill himself when he was first born; he killed himself when he turned into Comstock. All that did was kill off any Comstock version of him that there ever was.
After the credits, there is a little, tiny section, where Booker wakes up in his apartment and hears Anna crying. He goes into her room and calls out “Anna?!”. That is where the game really ends.
This little part backs up what I am saying.
Because only Comstock was killed and stopped from ever existing, the Booker that declined the Baptism STILL existed. However because Booker and Comstock’s worlds crossed, all parts of Booker’s life that included Comstock or anything from the Comstock dimension itself was removed from his life. There were no Futece twins who came to collect his daughter, no Columbia, no Comstock and no adult Elizabeth in his, or any other dimension ever. He then went back to the last time in his life that was free from Comstock related madness: him in his apartment with Anna as a baby before he met Comstock.
Now people may come back with “But Elizabeth disappeared from the scene after drowning Booker”, and while this is true, it makes sense, and is also one of the most depressing parts of the game, despite its happy ending. Elizabeth in that form never existed. The girl you went through the entire story with? She never existed. Anna IS Elizabeth, but because every outcome of baby Anna’s life was to end up in Columbia with Comstock in that tower and grow up there, when Comstock died and everything he had done and he had effected died with him, the adult Elizabeth also went. There was no adult Elizabeth in any other dimension that Comstock wasn’t in. Because he was in every world she was in, when he died, the adult her died to, leaving only baby Anna. This means that while Anna will be free to live with Booker, she will never turn into the same person. She will never be able to open tears as that was an ability given to her by the Futece twins in Columbia, she will probably never be able to pick locks (why would she need to learn to do that?) and a lot of her personality that was influenced by being in Columbia will be different. She will never be Elizabeth. She will always be Anna, a completely different human than the one we got to know. So, in a way Elizabeth DID die. That, to me, is a very, very, ver depressing thing indeed, as Elizabeth was an incredibly crafted character and the best female character in any game I’ve ever seen.
Another quick thing to note, that some people may mention, is: why did they bother to stop Comstock at all? Why not just change what had happened by going back to old memories and parts in time through those lighthouses? The thing is that they can’t. When you go back to previously, already, made memories, you can only relive them, you can NOT remake them. Booker couldn’t go back and choose to run off with Anna, because his decision to sell her was made and he HAD to go through with it even if he went back knowing it was wrong. Even in an alternate reality where he DIDN’T sell her, Comstock still came to steal her away.
Now, the only slight odd thing about this is: if you can’t change already made memories and situations, how did he allow Elizabeth to drown him and kill off Comstock if that ISN’T what happened? Well, while Elizabeth was not in his memory, and could not effect proceedings to do with other people, you’ll notice she can still touch and interact with Booker. So while her control over the entire, overall scene is limited, she can kill Booker in that scene herself, and end it there.
I know it's a lot to take in but it's relatively easy to understand
I'd also like to point out Elizabeth says something along the lines of "There is always a man, a lighthouse and a city" and that the reality will always be lived out in different ways....This sort of suggests that Andrew Ryan and Rapture are there to fill in the existence ( or lack thereof) of Columbia in future realities.
Also
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- Comstock was Booker woot? lol
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Enlightenment Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:48 am
NIce job on explaining it PT. SPOILERS BELOW.
Also,
Good job Irrational Games. It's way better than the first two games.
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- Strange that I ended up killing Cornstock and then found out it was Booker.
I think Infinite was able to project the concept of Schrodinger Cat, especially when Booker/Comstock rejected/accepted the baptism at the end of the game. I'll explain with the best of my knowledge.
Schrodinger Cat is a thought experiment or a paradox in which a cat is placed in box and there's a lever or some sort of device that is place in the box. This device actives the poison if the box was opened/lifted and the cat would eventually die. However, when left alone, the cat would simply live. What does this mean?
Well since there are two possible outcomes for the cat (life or death), these realities cannot come together since they are branched from the original source (the cat placed in the box). However, let's consider this hypothetically. If these outcomes really came together, is the cat alive or dead? The answer is simply that the cat is both alive and dead.
How does this connect to Infinite? Here it goes:
Booker/Comstock before the baptism is the cat placed in the box. Booker rejecting the baptism is the cat that is still alive, while Booker becoming Comstock is the cat that is dead due to the poison and vice versa.When the many Elizabeths say that you're Comstock or you're Dewitt, you simply reply with this: "I am both". Booker is Comstock and Comstock is Booker, which is equal to the cat being both dead and alive.
Pretty much the ending is a giant Schrodinger's Cat and the towers symbolizes different universes. Now you know why it's called Infinite. If there is information I haven't mentioned or skipped out on, let me know. I'm not a giant expert in Quantum Mechanics, but I think I got a grip on this concept after playing this game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation
Also,
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- The ending reminded me of
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- Donnie Darko
Good job Irrational Games. It's way better than the first two games.
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by PT-Desu Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:58 am
To put it in the simplest way possible
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The only people that die is Comstock (evil Booker) and Elizabeth (the result of Comstock interaction with Anna).
At the end only Booker and Anna exist (the small cutscene after the credits
So happy ending, in a way
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Re: Bioshock Infinite
by Enlightenment Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:03 am
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- There's is another interpretation with the ending, especially with the post credits scene: The whole game was a dream and that scene is reality. Of course, I really don't like that one.
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